It was just last week that former Donald Trump aide Sam Nunberg became somewhat of a household name after he took his frustration of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe out on a world-stage. Nunberg appeared on CNN, MSNBC and several other mainstream media outlets after finding out that Mueller’s team had issued two subpoenas to him in regards to the Special Counsel’s investigation into Russian election meddling. Some questioned his sobriety and mental stability, while others downplayed the importance of any role he may have played within the Trump campaign.
As the frustration subsided, which was originally driven by having to spend “80 hours” putting together emails between himself and other individuals within the scope of the Russian investigation, Nunberg did appear in a court room on Friday, March 9, to testify before Mueller’s grand jury.
IR.net’s Brian Krassenstein and Ed Krassenstein had an opportunity to speak at length with Nunberg following his testimony. While he had many interesting things to say, which we will cover in a future story, one key element that we have confirmed from the interview is the fact that Nunberg’s mentor, Roger Stone, is currently being viewed as a “target” of the Special Counsel’s investigation.
When we asked Nunberg if he believes that Roger Stone is in trouble, Nunberg’s response is quite telling.
“I feel that Roger Stone is a target of this investigation, and I don’t think that I am leaking anything out, and I don’t think that the independent counsel would be upset by [me saying this],” Nunberg tells IR.net. “I think it’s pretty obvious.”
For those unaware of the typical legal terminology in regards to federal investigations, there are three status classifications: 1) Witness, 2) Subject, and 3) Target.
A witness is typically a person like Sam Nunberg himself, who a prosecutor believes did not commit a crime, but may know of or have information about a crime that took place. A target of an investigation, however, is an individuals who the prosecutors believes has committed a crime, and who is a major focal point in the investigation. A subject of an investigation is someone who falls somewhere in between a witness and a target, and a grand jury, along with a prosecutor, is still trying to decide how that individual fits into the investigation.
While most of the media has speculated that Stone could be a target, but would probably fit more closely into being considered a “subject”, the confirmation by Nunberg is quite telling.
Nunberg confirmed that the Special Counsel’s questions focused on a broad range of topics, and did not focus on anything related to potential “obstruction of justice”, but did have some focus on Roger Stone and his relationship with WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange.
When we asked Nunberg if he believes that Stone was working alone or if he had the guidance from someone within the Trump campaign, in regards to the release of hacked DNC emails, Nunberg told us that he believes that Stone was actually working alone, admitting though that this was merely his own personal opinion.
Nunberg reiterated the fact that Stone claims to have a connection to Julian Assange, but didn’t delve any further into his opinion on whether or not Stone played a role in the ultimate release of the hacked emails.
When we questioned what role Stone played in mentoring Nunberg, he provided a few examples such as the ideology that, “politics is for performance art”. Nunberg went on to explain that, according to Stone’s methodologies, in politics, you want to take your opponents view and go extremely hard in the other direction.
“In other words, it’s not just that we are going to enforce the border — we are going to build a wall,” Nunberg explained. “It’s not that we are just going to kick out the criminals — we are going to deport all illegals.”
It’s quite obvious that these ideologies and methodologies that Stone held close to his own heart, were used at least in part by the Trump campaign and are still being used in Trump’s administration today. This again makes us wonder how close of a connection President Trump had during his campaign to Roger Stone, and now it appears to be one of the answers that the Special Counsel is looking to uncover.
Leaving the interview, it’s obvious that Nunberg took a lot of heat from the public at a time of extraordinary stress. While he himself doesn’t appear to be a subject or target of Mueller’s probe, but rather just a witness, his mentor, Roger Stone may soon find himself in a legal battle with the Special Counsel.
Only time will tell.