Muslim Man on Train Tells a Tired Mom She Should be Imprisoned For Putting Her Feet Up – Religious Debate Ensues

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muslim2Politics and religion are two topics you probably don’t want to discuss on a public train, especially when it comes to insulting another’s belief. However, for those who still feel the need to do so, what happened on one train in London may just be enough to persuade you otherwise. Or then again, it may not.

The heated debate started as a 27-year-old mother, named Ruby Butler was relaxing on a train in the London Overground with her feet up on the seat next to her. Out of nowhere an elderly muslim man decided to let his feelings be heard.

As seen in the video below, the man attacks Butler by saying, “I cannot sit there. I cannot pray with my clothes on, OK? And I travel every day.”

Another man on the train then tries to diffuse the situation, by saying, “I 100% agree with you, she’s just not worth arguing with.”

At first Butler reacts in a calm manner, by simply agreeing and saying, “It’s really not. I’m tired and I had a long day.” But then the elderly man continues with his rant, telling the non-muslim Butler that she should be in prison for putting her feet up. This is when other passengers on the train decided to speak up against the man.

A passenger toward the back of the train says, “This is England,” at which point the man responds, “Don’t argue with me. I know this is England, I was born here. I have as much right as you have, OK?”

Ruby Butler

Ruby Butler

This is then taken a step further when this passenger gets up to exit the train and tells the elderly man not to “belittle” him, in which the man responds,

“What you going to do, you going to hit me? I’m not frightened of any of you. I’ll get the police,” as he looks to his phone and appears to start dialing.

This is when Butler began to take thing a little more serious as she understandably becomes aggravated, and starts to throw some verbal punches of her own.

“This is all because I have my feet on the chair,” Butler says. “Please, get the police. I want you to get the police sir. If they can arrest me for putting my feet on the chair, then I will gladly be arrested. I don’t have the same religion as you sir. I pray with my shoes on everyday. I am Christian.”

muslim1The elderly man responds by saying, “But I am Muslim, I can’t pray. OK?”

As he steps off of the train, Butler, obviously very aggravated at this point exclaims, “But listen, this is not a Muslim country!”

Obviously things got heated, because this man decided to force his religious beliefs onto someone who does not believe the same things he does. Muslims, as many of us are aware, are not able to pray with their shoes on if they are dirty or contain any “impurities”. While, Butler’s final comment may seem a bit harsh to some, the United Kingdom is still considered a “Christian country”, as the Prime Minister David Cameron told onlookers this past Easter. This doesn’t mean Muslims like this elderly man are not free to practice their religion, but no one should try and force their beliefs onto another person like he tried to do. This never ends well, and while this man did not like what this woman was doing, he surely knows the laws in a country where he was born. Unfortunately, for one reason or another, he just wasn’t having a good day.

  • Shaun

    Evident bias is evident. In a (presumably) busy train she decided to put her dirty shoes up on the chair, which is damned rude. This is England and we should live up to our reputation as a polite country that takes the feelings of other into account.

    His religion comes into it, sure, but he’s not forcing his religion on other people as the article claims, he’s not saying she has to follow their rules, but her being an inconsiderate jackass is affecting HIS ability to follow his religion on top of just being rude. He went too far about it, definitely, (although we don’t see what led up to this moment and other passengers clearly are on his side so I imagine we’re missing something relatively important,) but he’s got a point.

    I could easily see this argument being between her and an atheist. Someone had a hard day, comes on to a crowded train, and there’s a woman sat thinking her “long day” is justification for taking up one of the remaining seats with her feet up, with complete disregard for other people.

    • novictim

      Who said they were dirty? And does that mean that someone who wears dirty clothes cannot sit in that train? Does that mean that homeless people cannot sit?

      No one said that there was mud on the shoes. So “dirty” means something else. They are “dirty” in a spiritual sense, I think. Is that legitimate in a secular society to pander to
      nonsense like that?

      This is not about science, about “germs” as there is no evidence that shoes on seats then make people ill. There is no journal article that anyone can cite to back up the danger of shoes on chairs making people ill.

      This has nothing to do with “dirty”. This has to do with a religious sensibility that the head is towards heaven and
      the feet are towards hell, that the sky is pure and that the ground in
      unclean.

      So once you strip away all the pretense, what you have left is a theological demand and cultural bias to not impurify a train seat. Secular society does not need to honor this demand.

      • Shaun

        You completely missed the point.

        And yeah, shoes under standard use are dirty. It’s basic manners not to put your shoes up on furniture. BECAUSE shoes are in contact with the dirty ground.

        It’s not about making people ill, it’s about a woman with total disregard for anyone besides herself. She’s completely full of herself. When you’re on a train, you do not put your shoes up on the furniture. And if someone asks you not to, you apologise and move them. It’s part of being a decent human being who isn’t completely self-centred.

        This argument could EASILY have been between her and someone who was wearing a nice suit on the way to a job interview.

        Like I said – his religion comes into it but it isn’t as important as the article is pointing out. He mentioned his religion once in the video. If she was religious and I was on my way to a job interview for a particle collider, and she was acting like this, I’d probably be pissed off too. My saying that she was influencing my ability to present myself well wouldn’t be an attack on her religious rights. He doesn’t say that she has to follow his religion, but her being so selfish is impacting his ability to do so.

        You may not personally like the religious, but in human society if you don’t at least minimal consideration for other people then you’re a cancer to that society.

        It’s no law that she has to be a decent human being, but it’s expected. In this case she wasn’t, and we don’t know what led up to the video, but judging from the behaviour of other passengers, it would seem that she’s the one that’s been causing the shit, which I can fully believe based on her behaviour in the video.